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July 26, 2007

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Paul Roberts

Brian,

I don't see the connections with science here, or at least they are very weak.

Clunn has said it himself that he's no scientist. I'd say he's more into pseudo-science.

Shin works very hard, but I wouldn't call it science or scarcely "scientific". Maybe it's "more scientific than others", simply by the fact that he takes detailed notes.

In fishing we simply run roughshod over an enormous number of variables -the vast majority unproven in any truly scientific way. From the gun we are immediately immersed in the dark forest.

Science uses a tiny flashlight to isolate and scrutinize one variable at a time, against a control. No one could win a tournament doing that.

This also explains why anglers may out-sample the biologists in terms of mature fish. Running roughshod over all those contingencies may not be science but it can result in good catches of mature fish. It also requires, and hones, the intellectual capacity of the angler. But it is not necessarily science.

Big Indiana Bass

We may have to agree on the "more scientific than others" with this one and leave it at that (LOL). I see science as a much bigger fish.

The discipline of science rests on observation, theory, measurement and experimentation. Experimentation is hardcore science, controlled variables in lab settings, etc. but it is only one part of science. Take the science of meteorology as an example. A whole lot of observation, theory and measurement with much less experimentation. Its documenting lots of existing conditions, plugging those into models, 4 of which say it will rain and 2 of those say it won't, so the forecast is mostly cloudy with a 60% chance of precipitation. A bit simplified of course but not much different than what Shinichi Fukae is doing. Two to three weeks on the water documenting every bass he catches, water, weather, current, lure, etc. day after day and then taking that data and based on expected weather and water conditions (and others I'm sure) using that data to select locations, baits, presentations, etc. largely regardless of personal preferences.

He is the exception though as I would agree most people (if not all others) are doing the roughshod approach. Example, Denny Brauer or Tommy Biffle just looking for conditions and cover that suits a flipping bite obviously doesn't qualify here. Neither does running down a bank throwing a topwater or spinnerbait, etc.

And speaking of the dark forest, what about Jane Goodall? Frequently ranked as one of the top women in science, all she did was literally go into the jungle and document gorilla behavior for 40 years. Very little experimentation there, just lots of observation.

I would agree Clunn is more pseudo-science with his recent approaches, but when he mentioned changing a single variable in your setup (in this case the line) and how that will most likely affect your end result, that is pretty classic science stuff in my mind. I agree he's not a scientist, but I was more trying to point out the apparent ongoing struggle I see from reading the articles that seem to put the more logical approach (roughly science based) at odds with the pseudo-science (holistic) approach. Just an interesting "internal debate" that seems to come out in print that he must struggle with on occasion.

Paul Roberts

Yes, Rick's predicament is interesting. Reminds me of my Dad. He's a retired illustrator and is still trying to "find himself" as an artist. He and his artist buddies wax philosophical a lot. One of these guys is a very technically artist that was a National Geo magazine illustrator -phenomenally detailed work.
These artists all appear to be burned out from years of "digging trenches". My Dad would say, "illustration is a hard business. You have to create everyday all the time whether you feel you have it in you or not on that day or hour. Now, I just want to paint."

It always seemed to me that art (things creative) require a whole lot of work, even though we would rather "just have it come".

I just don't think it works that way most of the time. If that is what you are after, you will be chasing ghosts much of the time. I think Shin has the right tact. He may burn out with it, but he'll make money.

From reading about Clunn's Champlain tournament it seems there was another new variable thrown in that I think was most important: Big smallmouths.

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