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July 05, 2008

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Paul Roberts

Nice.

Have you ever been there, on this post-spawn/early summer pattern, after a good cold front? (post cold front defined by weather not by fishing results LOL)

Jason McGowen

That lake can be crazy! The best day I had there (3 years ago)I caught over 100 fish in 3 hrs. in 47 degree water temps!

Big Indiana Bass

Not really that I can remember. We were under a weak frontal system the other day, but nothing too drastic. Like Jason mentioned though, cool water (insert most any other weather condition here) has never been a hindrance on this lake when the population is high. You have better days than others, but when they're shallow the bite is usually good. That should change shortly thoguh.

I think the pattern is starting to fall apart. I have a friend who is supposed to go back out there later in the week, so I'll get a better idea how things are holding up then. Would like to get temp and O2 readings next year if possible through this time period. You had mentioned about doing that a couple weeks back. The difference on the graph from last week to this week is dramatic. When the grouping was strong, everything was graphing a little more solitary and in the top 12' of water or so. This past weekend I could graph fish throughout the entire water column and literally just scattered throughout the lake.

Two weeks ago you never saw a fish graph on the deep stuff. This weekend there were fish graphing on top of and down the sides of the deep stuff. Not to mention all the suspension going on. I should have gotten good graph pictures of the same area to compare in a time sequence. Mental note for next year :) Makes me wonder about your thermal theory.

Paul Roberts

I think there is something there.

I believe the shift to summer comes when surface temps reach 85F (80F@10ft) -about mid-July here. My waters are shallow though (<15) mostly <10. Deep water isn't an option.

In Ontario CN, a summer "doldrums" doesn't happen.

Paul Roberts

So maybe they are ready to go deep but temps in the depths won't allow it? How deep is Waveland? I mean, how deep are summer quarters for bass?

Big Indiana Bass

Waveland is a pretty shallow lake compared to most around here. Max depth is about 28 feet. In Indiana, the typical summertime depth of fish is largely dictated by the thermocline in combination with available O2, regardless of maximum depth available. On many of our waters, you'll see max. depth utilized now in the 18'-22' range. As summer progresses, thermoclines develop more distinctly and available O2 gets restricted further, you'll see fish being forced up into 12'-18' of water depending on specific lake involved. This is just a good generality for around here.

There are a couple potential variables at play here, I believe. One is a thermal one which may or may not play a big part. Is there really a layer that is too cool for them at this time of year that they prefer not to enter? And if so, what would the biological basis for that reluctance be? That theory seems a little less likely to me regarding largemouth. Another possible theory is food availability, or lack there of. With shad, bluegill, crappie, carp and whatever else spawn all taking place in the warming shallows, there is a huge abundance of food in the littoral zones of most lakes. Perhaps bass don't want to go deeper because that would isolate them from much of the available food supply? I mentioned the huge difference in graph readings between now and 10 days ago. It's like everything has made a move to expand out suddenly into the watery environment.

I'll keep graphing and try and get a few pics posted concerning what I'm seeing. I'll also work on getting the tools to do some homegrown research next year (maybe sooner) on O2 and temp profiles in combination with what we are discussing. It would be interesting to see if I could correlate what I'm seeing with some physical parameter. I usually tend to side toward an answer of complexity in these things that doesn't allow for the quick/easy answer, just the opposite of how I tend to approach my fishing (LOL).

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